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This just in

Postby Mainah » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:32 am

I just received an e mail from MRF regarding a bill in Congress to address the new popularity of three wheeled vehicles in this country. Seems like a logical move but should it be forced by the US Government? The initial requirements appear to be too restrictive and would adversely impact the affordability which is a major feature of vehicles like the Elio. At the least it should be interesting to see how this plays out.

Three-wheeled Vehicles
March 19, 2015

Senator David Vitter (R-LA) introduced legislation that would create a new class of vehicle, reports the Motorcycle Riders Foundation. S. 685 would create a new class of vehicles known as autocycles, to accommodate a growing trend in vehicle design. An emerging vehicle style, three wheeled enclosed vehicles equipped with a steering wheel are growing in popularity. These types of vehicles have been lumped in with motorcycles and therefore tagged and registered as motorcycles. Clearly these vehicles are not motorcycles and they do need their own category. It is easy to see why the efficient, affordable transportation would catch on so quickly.

U.S. Senate file 685 would require the new class to meet both motorcycle safety standards as well as passenger vehicle standards in vehicles weighing less than 10,000 pounds. These standards include seating systems, belted occupant protection, child restraints, roof crush resistance, and flammability protections.

There are many new three-wheeled vehicles coming into the marketplace. Some examples are the Polaris Slingshot and Toyota i-Road (built by Elio Motors). Elio is based out of Senator Vitters home state of Louisiana. Senator Vitter is the Chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure.

It remains to be seen whether this is the answer to this growing vehicle class, but with numbers climbing something is going to have to happen with government vehicle classes. According to the Elio webpage over 40,000 of the enclosed three-wheeled vehicles have been reserved.

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Re: This just in

Postby WCLamb » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:27 pm

Mainah wrote:I just received an e mail from MRF regarding a bill in Congress to address the new popularity of three wheeled vehicles in this country. Seems like a logical move but should it be forced by the US Government? The initial requirements appear to be too restrictive and would adversely impact the affordability which is a major feature of vehicles like the Elio. At the least it should be interesting to see how this plays out...

It remains to be seen whether this is the answer to this growing vehicle class, but with numbers climbing something is going to have to happen with government vehicle classes...

More "Nanny" BS. There are much more pressing problems in the USA for legislation rather than meddling in an area where:

1. Legislators really don't know what they're doing (not that it's ever stopped them before).
2. Rules can be imposed on everyone, stifling innovation and personal choices and freedom.
3. The government intends to protect us from making our own choices, taking risks that we're satisfied with.

I think it's high time for a whole new government.
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Re: This just in

Postby Phoenix » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:17 am

Too many rules not enough common sense, soon in MA it will be mandatory to have your headlights on when the windshield wipers are operating...although i think it's a good idea to have your headlights on during inclement weahter do we really need the govt' to enact a law requiring this . Even worse it is a surchargable violation which means you pay a fine and then and surcharge increase on your insurnace for 6 years which adds negative points to your rating further increasing your rates.

Please let me take care of myself, I can teach my children right from wrong, good from bad and smart from stupid. I don't need the governments help with that. Based on the action of our leaders it would appear that their parents didn't do such a great job in those areas.

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Re: This just in

Postby WCLamb » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:34 pm

Phoenix wrote:Too many rules not enough common sense. Soon in MA it will be mandatory to have your headlights on when the windshield wipers are operating...although I think it's a good idea to have your headlights on during inclement weather, do we really need the govt' to enact a law requiring this.

Steve -

This has been a law in NJ for many, many years. But like so many laws, it is not enforced (which makes it about useless). I've questioned officers in my state before, why they don't ticket cars who have no lights on in the rain -- their reply as to why they don't write tickets on this violation -- is typically that it isn't worth it to them to blow their day off sitting in a courtroom when the judge or justice of the peace is only going to dismisses the charges or give them a ridiculous minuscule fine. According to one LEO I spoke with, he told me some people actually bring a lawyer to court (apparently, one who's pals with the municipality's prosecuting attorney) and the ticket gets dismissed. Well, that does absolutely nothing to change people's driving habits (or impart any common sense).

It's like the manufacturers putting daytime running lights on cars (which are now being replaced by L.E.D. arrays adjacent to the headlights as a styling exercise). Daytime Running Lights were added in the 90s for one simple reason: people are too stupid or ignorant to turn on their lights when visibility is reduced, whether it be from darkness, fog, smoke from a grass fire, or inclement weather like rain or snow. (Snow... you never have that in Massachusetts, right?)

I guess those folks must think they're saving money on their electric bill by "conserving energy" or some such BS reason. I'd hate to tell you how many times I've asked people (like at a stop light) why they aren't burning their headlights at dusk or dawn and they tell me they can see everyone just fine. They don't seem to realize that hardly anyone can see THEM! Or on foggy days -- you ask them to turn on their lights -- and they tell you that "it's daytime" so they don't need to turn on their lights. I guess they're afraid that they'll leave their lights on when they park the car and will run their battery dead, even though most all cars have a chime or buzzer to let you know if the engine is turned off while the lights are on.

Never, never underestimate the intelligence of stupid people. And there are more and more of them every day, it seems.
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Re: This just in

Postby Phoenix » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:53 pm

I've said it before, it's too bad that stupidity isn't always painful it would be some much more entertaining to watch!
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Re: This just in

Postby Dragonglide » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:27 pm

You know what I was curious about. What's the fuel efficiency on these sort of vehicles? Road wear and tear? More like cars, or more like motorcycles? If more like motorcycles... then why not encourage this type of vehicle in an "Eco- Friendly" economy and country. I could see the Idiots in Office cracking down on home made death traps, but these are for the most part, major manufacturers of power equipment. Wouldn't you encourage smaller lighter vehicles? Instead of putting some sort of ridiculous restriction on them?
Seems to make no sort of sense to me.

As far as the wipers on, headlights on thing. I get it, visibility. That's fine. I think it's kinda stupid that I have to have my motorcycle headlight on all the time. I should have a choice. It's not that I would run it without the headlight, rather, I want to be able to have freedom of choice. Again as WC mentioned, Nanny State politics.

How do we even fight this legislation?
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Re: This just in

Postby Mainah » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:04 pm

Dragonglide wrote: How do we even fight this legislation?


I could tell you, but I think you know the answer.

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Re: This just in

Postby Ryck » Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:02 pm

Mainah wrote:I just received an e mail from MRF regarding a bill in Congress to address the new popularity of three wheeled vehicles in this country. Seems like a logical move but should it be forced by the US Government? The initial requirements appear to be too restrictive and would adversely impact the affordability which is a major feature of vehicles like the Elio. At the least it should be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Why do I smell "Federal/State/Municipal revenue augmentation" as the REAL reason?

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